For anyone not in the know, there’s been a bit of a well-documented and heated history between Senses Fail frontman Buddy Nielsen and Attila vocalist Chris Fronzack (known better as Fronz) following an argument in 2014.
The argument came to light off the back of Attila‘s song ‘Proving Grounds’, in which Fronz uses the word “faggot” in the songs lyrics. This resulted in a tweet exchange between the two (read it here).
Recently Attila revisted the feud within their recently released song ‘Callout 2’, in which Fronz called out a list of people and other things he hates, one of which being Nielsen, with the lyrics stating, “Fuck a Buddy Nielsen, fuck a stupid coward.”
Though neither Senses Fail as a collective or Nielsen responded to the song, the singer was featured earlier this week on the Alternative Press podcast, Cautionary Tales, which is hosted by the magazine’s editor-in-chief, Jason Pettigrew.
Towards the latter end of the podcast, the two arrive on the topic of Nielsen‘s history with Fronz and their feud, during which Nielsen says he calls out Fronz and that he tried to have a fight with him.
“No-one had my back with that Attila dude. The dude’s a punk, like, that dude’s a problem. That dude’s a bully. That dude’s one of those dudes that needs to get punched in the face, like, and I don’t – and I’m not a violent person, but if you are a person who is queer and you get called a ‘faggot’, you have every fucking right to knock that person in the face.
I don’t like non-violent, passive queer movement. I’m for standing in your fucking space and taking it, and like, I tried to fight that dude, because he deserves to get his fucking ass kicked.”
When then asked about a meeting between him, Kevin Lyman, and Fronz on a bus during a previous Vans Warped Tour date, Nielsen responded.
“Everyone should know this story because it’s like, I tried to fight this dude. He wouldn’t come off of his bus. He won’t come off his bus, because he wouldn’t fight me. He doesn’t want to fight me.
We had a meeting where I said straight to him ‘You can’t use that word because you don’t identify as it’, and he said ‘It’s just a word, man’ and I was like ‘So by your definition, you can use the n-word?’ and he goes ‘Yeah.’
I feel bad for him because I know that he bullies and he does this because he’s been bullied, and he is hurt, and he is in pain, but that doesn’t excuse the behaviour. It doesn’t excuse the fact that like – we don’t live in the America that can turn a back to something like that. People thought we did. A couple of years ago people thought we did because, you know, we’re in a post-racial society, you know, gay marriage is legalised, everything’s good, but now I think – and now I think you’re seeing the like ‘Oh yeah, that’s actually like not only not okay, but not productive, and not cool.’ I feel bad for the guy, but he still needs to get punched in the face.”
The podcast host Pettigrew then went on, discussing that Fronz may be playing a character, and that he’s not genuinely believing and supporting everything he writes, sings, and talks about, to which Nielsen responded disagreeing.
“He’s not, because when I have a conversation with him, he is who he is. He wasn’t apologetic at all. I don’t think it’s a smokescreen, I just don’t think he’s very smart. I don’t think he has the mental capacity to understand what he’s doing from an objective perspective, and I think he’s just so into his thing because it helps him.
It’s like a super villain, you know what I mean? Like, ‘I’m the bad villain, I’m wanna kill Spider-Man’ you know? It’s like ‘I’m the super villain’, and it’s like, it’s pretty cheesy. I thought when I talked to him – because I’ve talked to him multiple times on Warped Tour. I talked to him once, I just approached him, and he’s not the kind of person that you ever feel like ‘You know what, man? You’re right, I’m sorry.’
I don’t think that he knows what he’s doing. I also know that when he put that song out a couple of weeks ago (‘Callout 2’), he started freaking out because people were really bummed at him. I think he’s very insecure, and that’s evidenced by his behaviour, it’s like ‘Dude, you’re talking about something that happened three years ago. Come on, we’ve moved on.’ I don’t say anything on the internet. I’d rather talk about it in a setting where I can explain what’s happened, and stuff like that, but like, the dude still needs to get punched in the face.”
They later go on to the discussion of being a parent, and leaving a legacy behind for his daughter, and also comments on his concerns for Fronz‘s children from that perspective.
“Maybe I don’t ever punch him in the face. I’ll probably never see him again, and probably – really given the chance I probably wouldn’t because I have a daughter, and I have someone that’s gonna go ‘Dad, why would you do that?’, and I’d have to explain it to her, and I don’t have a great explanation. It’s probably not good enough. Not good enough to explain to my daughter to justify doing it.
It would take a lot for me to not do it, and it would be me thinking about being a parent, and thinking about him being a parent too. That’s the other thing is how does he explain to his kids the stuff he does? Now that I’m a parent, that weighs heavy on my mind, you know? And I think about “Dude, that’s a bummer.” What a bummer for this dude that his kids are gonna turn on his music and this is what – I’m really proud that my daughter, and what I’ve left for her to discover is, I think, something that she can be totally proud of. She can look back and go ‘Wow, my dad really did something important.’ I want everyone to be able to have that as a parent. That’s one of the joys of being a parent.”
Nielsen then later commented on Attila‘s recent move from SharpTone Records to becoming an independent act.
“I mean, it’s – the band got dropped. They tried to spin it as a – it’s very Trumpian. ‘We got dropped but we’re in a good spot. We’re doing good. There’s no chaos. There’s no smoke here guys, this is fine. There is no smoke behind the curtains, guys. We’re good.’ You know, good luck to them.’
For those who wish to listen to the full podcast with Nielsen, you can stream and listen to it below. If you just want to hear about the Attila and Fronz talk, skip forward to the 53:00 mark.
Senses Fail released their seventh studio album ‘If There Is Light, It Will Find You’ earlier this year through Pure Noise Records.
Attila are expected to self-release their seventh studio album later this year.